“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.” — Robert A. Heinlein

Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Random Thoughts- Common Caliber Ammo, groups, friends and mediums of exchange

I have done some reading lately and have posts on that ready for you to read shortly. I have been thinking about a few things.

Somebody once said that America has a century worth of guns and a couple years worth of bullets. I am not sure if that is true exactly or quite how to measure it. However the vast majority of Americans do not have a "buy by the case and stock it deep" kind of survivalist mentality. I once broke gun owners into 3 groups when it comes to ammo a) a box or less per gun b) a couple/ few hundred rounds or less and c) my kind of people.

I would wager that the vast majority of Americans fall somewhere between a and b. In all but the shortest term disaster if things go less than ideally folks will start to run out of bullets. This is an issue because some of these folks will be in your family, tribe or neighborhod. A gun with a person behind it that could be actively on your side, pulling guard and fighting if need be for want of bullets.

I think pistol ammunition, ammunition in gaming rifle calibers and shotgun shells would be aweful useful and .22 for practice and gaming is always useful. My observation is that folks who have semi auto rifles tend to have at least a few hundred rounds of ammo and thus I am less inclined to worry about them (unless we are talking about a longer darker scenario but that is another discussion) and I keep decent amounts of that stuff around anyway.

I take this into account in my ammunition stockage. I went to Walmart the other day to stock up on ammunition which I know some folks might need. Picked up a couple hundred rounds of .38 and a few boxes of 30-30 to put away for this type of situation and to help meet my own happy levels.

Knowing your friends and family helps here. I know a bunch of folks with .38 wheel guns and not a lot of bullets so that is a real consideration of mine.

Also you always want to have something folks want. Of course you try to have things squared away so there is no need to get anything but life never works quite that way. Best case you are trying to get something to help out a friend or develop a new group project to fill an unanticipated need. Personally I do not know what somebody might want. Having a wide variety of possible curriencies (cash, gold, silver, ammo, food, etc) gives me some options. Personally I always want the ability to do some swapping. Just some food for thought.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would agree with this article. At my place of employment there are some "gun folks" that are always talking about guns, target practice, IDPA matches etc, but when it comes down to it, they feel that they are pretty well set if they have a couple of boxes of ammo.

When it comes to ammo, I have my PHD

Piled
Higher and
Deeper!

Anonymous said...

Good idea, keeping some very common area ammunition. I keep some extra 20 and 12 gauge buckshot and slug loads, dove hunting is a popular sport, so there are quite a few shotguns. Vast majority is birdshot though, hence the buckshot.

Anonymous said...

guns that shoot several rounds are also nice to have. The 327 magnum will eat the 327 and all of the 32 cal variants. i have shot the 327 mag 32acp and 32 long in the same cylinder alternating with no problems I also like my Ruger 357 blackhawk with the extra 9mm cylinder lets me shoot 357, 38 and 9mm so with two pistols I am able to use 6 different rounds

Suburban Survivalist said...

At my parents Nebraska farm, my brothers and I are shooting for the tens of thousands of rounds for each caliber we need. So far that's only achieved for .22LR, with a few thousand of other calibers.

For my location in the DC area, I always have ~1,000-2,000 rds of 9mm and .22LR, and a few hundred of .380, 5.56mm, 762x39, and 7.62x54R. Far more than I could carry in an on-foot bug out situation, but easy enough to throw in the truck if bugging out.

Besides ammo, lots of magazines/stripper clips for any weapons that need them. And mag/dump pouches. It isn't cheap.

phreaknik said...

In defense of those who don't stock extremely deep I would say this, we know that most people are going to die with a lot of their ammo left behind. It's not a great excuse and I should buy more ammo. But I've never been worried that I couldn't locate more ammo. I shoot popular calibers and am much better at staying alive than most people. My ability to kill what I aim at and then scavenger from the dead will keep me just fine and dandy.

Suburban Survivalist said...

Circumstances depend, but simply shooting someone and taking their ammo is murder/theft/looting, not scavenging.

phreaknik said...

"we know that most people are going to die with a lot of their ammo left behind"

I no way am I proposing Mad Max banditism as my survival method. I'm suggesting that there are a whole lot of people who can't shoot for shit and will have ammo lying around their corpses. In fact, I more strongly suggest there will be a whole lot of people with unloaded weapons, out of reach, with not a single gun in the house been fired and yet there will still be ammo. About 1% of America is interested in being prepared. Of that 1% there are about 5% that actually keep guns close enough for it to matter. Should SHTF there will be an abundance of ammo.

Just my personal opinion. If I had the money I would stockpile ammo. I'm not saying it's a bad idea. I'm just defending the fact that I learned to scrounge in the military when I was around people who were supposed to kill people for a living. I strongly suspect that I will be able to scrounge more easily when I'm moving around civilians.

I'm not into killing people for supplies. That's evil shit.

But if they're dead and we're in dire need, I will take any fucking thing that isn't locked down.