Friday, September 30, 2011

SERPA Holsters

I mentioned SERPA holsters in a post about equipment soldier’s use and got a couple comments about them. They more or less matched up with some relatively recent reporting of people having negligent discharges when using the holsters. So here are my thoughts.

When I first saw them I thought it was a gimmicky idea and would be a flash in the pan. Man I got that one wrong, I totally missed the pulse of a community I am a part of. Before anyone asks personally I do not like SERPA holsters. Maybe it is for the best that I do not buy individual stocks.  The reason I do not like SERPA holsters is that they have a method of retention that uses the index finger. I am used to thumb break and open top friction type retention holsters. I have a lot of muscle memory in thumb breaks and just pulling the darn thing out is pretty much as easy as it gets. My personal experience is that in times of stress and fatigue we revert back to muscle memory. I can’t get over visions of myself trying to pull the darn thing out and pressing random stuff with my thumb only for it to stay fast in the holster.  They work fine I guess but I see no reason to stray from what I am used to.  That sums up my strictly personal opinion on the matter.
As to the SERPA and negligent discharges I find little to no reason to buy into it. Sure you have to extend your finger to draw the weapon but personally I draw that way anyway as it puts my hand where I want it. I index my finger along the frame above the trigger until I want to shoot something. If you don’t stick your bugger picker into the trigger guard and go flopping it around wildly the darn gun probably will not go off. That is strictly a software issue (in your darn head) not a hardware issue, at least in the way you might think.
It reminds me of when a couple of big PD’s (back east, NY I think) switched to Glock’s some time back and had a few embarrassing high profile negligent discharges. Those Glock’s were not faulty in any way. They fired when some cop stuck his finger into the trigger guard and pulled the trigger, intentionally or not. The reason is that the new hardware (the Glock’s) exposed a weakness that had always existed in those shooters. Those cops grew up on double action revolvers (and had maybe spent a short period using DA/SA auto’s but let’s not get sidetracked from our current side track). Not that you should but one could walk around with their finger on the trigger of one of those old DA duty guns all day long, about no way you could fire it off by accident. Now a Glock is another matter as they have a substantially lighter trigger pull than a DA revolver.  I sort of see the same thing with SERPA holsters in that a new piece of technology is exposing weaknesses in shooters fundamental weapons handling.

Without doing a ton of research I suspect two things are involved in this supposed chain of ND’s. First after people hit the release button instead of immediately indexing their finger they unintentionally keep it bent and are applying pressure onto the holster as they draw. When the weapon clears the holster this pressure brings their bent finger into the trigger guard with disastrous results.  The second (which I suspect is the root cause) is folks who are trying to proverbially run when they should be walking or jogging. I would bet that if the same shooters (prior to these ND’s) were asked to draw their pistol and then fire 3 rounds at a target in no particular hurry they would be fine. However if they are out of breath, trying to run while shooting at 3 targets simultaneously and be cool like Quick Draw Delta Dan or Speed Shooting SWAT Jimbo you can get disastrous results. As for why they are SERPA holsters part of it is probably that they are immensely popular with the “I’m going to go to super cool guy class” types.  Also the training issues we talked about before. At least that is what I suspect.

As to classes banning SERPA’s I bring you the 8 pound NY trigger AKA avoidance instead of training. NY decided that too many cops were having ND’s so they got a substantially heavier trigger made. Banning SERPA’s is avoidance of hardware that may be less forgiving of a particular weakness than other hardware.
I have never seen, though have heard of from 1 reputable source (fanboy’s in forum’s do not count) about a SERPA holster locking mechanism jamming. I have never seen an ND which was related to a SERPA holster.

In closing if you own and like the SERPA holster then by all means keep using it, just don’t stick your trigger finger into the trigger guard unless you mean to. No hardware will solve that problem.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

You are right about the software malfunction, problem is hardware design puts the user in a place where the software can fail. In stressful situations (not likely to be encountered in a gun fight, eh?) folks start pulling on their gun, which brings a load to bear on the locking system. That load makes it more difficult to disengage the lock, inspiring the user to vigorously slap at the lock with the index finger. Gun comes out, index finger is still flailing about, an ND occurs. Here's one example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

I've not seen the lock issue, but train in classes where you get down on the ground and roll around, and the instructors I've trained under have seen it. Plenty of folks have tried to recreate the problem, and haven't had much trouble doing so as the videos below show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxpXUN4bMb4

http://bcove.me/n1hgqww7

Bottom line there are better tools out there that don't have these design flaws. As such I won't be using this tool

3rdman said...

I like the SERPA myself. Where I witnessed an ND (Glock/Serpa)the shooter was using a holster that did not cover the slide and front sight. So when he drew the front sight caught the bottom of the holster causing him the regrip the pistol. When he did this it allowed his index finger to follow the outside of the holster and on to the trigger before he even cleared the holster. In a proper draw from a SERPA you press the release button and even if your index finger follows the outside of the holster it will still end up on the slide where it should be when you clear the holster. So like you said the problem was not hardware other than hardware not matching up (pistol to holster) but software because he made the wrong choice in hardware combination.

Anonymous said...

Ryan, my jarhead nephew who was on the jarhead Presidential Protective Detail and did multiple sandbox tours both as a jarhead and contracting said exactly the same about safety issues and debris tie-ups being non-issues with the SERPA.

Thank you relating your experience, Ryan.

H

Suburban Survivalist said...

The buttons can also be jammed with dirt/rocks/mud/snow, locking the pistol into the holster. This shows snow doing it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxpXUN4bMb4

I have a Fobus retention holster that also has a strap. It can be used as a paddle hoster, on the belt, and there is a MOLLE attachment. Works for me.

Jani said...

The NDs are one thing. The real killer is the possibility of jamming the serpa so hard that you have to take the holster apart to extract the gun.

Arsenius the Hermit said...

I don't know anything about these holsters. I just use Galco, or sometimes Uncle Mike stuff. But then, I'm not in the position of having to carry a lot of equipment and hang it all over my frame so maybe that's why I haven't used one.

Anonymous said...

I'm just sticking to my UM-84, its boring and isn't smarter than me, but its been protecting my Glock 21 from the outdoors since the early 90's and still going strong. I'm not military nor LEO, just civilian outdoorsman that spends some time outside, so take that for what its worth.

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