“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.” — Robert A. Heinlein

Sunday, December 25, 2011

Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better

Let us start out with a question. When (in a defensive situation) would I prefer a shotgun to a rifle?

I have been thinking about it for a couple days and haven't come up with a situation yet. If I am going to have to fight somebody I would like an AR or an AK. Both have a viable defensive round, especially considering I would be using modern defensive ammunition. They hold a lot of bullets and are self loading.

This got me thinking about the role of shotguns in home defense. They are sort of a weird beast anyway. Everybody pretty much agrees you should have one, myself included, but they are fraught with disinformation and misunderstanding. When we strip away the myths it is easier to talk about them.

First of all we have to deal with "stopping power" and penetration. The prevailing myth is that shotguns will utterly destroy all flesh and bone but won't go through wallpaper, let alone the whole wall. I would say that is half right. At close range buckshot does really nasty things. However in a sort of funny way projectiles that will devastate one type of stuff will do the same to another. Buckshot will go through walls no problem. Interestingly the performance is not that differently from .223 or 7.62x39.

Next comes accuracy and shot spread. Shotguns are not a land mine or a magical death ray. You have to have the thing pointed at someone for them to work. Shot spread varies by load, choke and weapon but at "in house" ranges it is going to be closer to fist than dinner plate or trash can sized. I have heard the rule that buckshot spreads at about an inch a yard but you really need to pattern a gun with the barrel/ choke to be sure. [A smart guy I knew took his new shotgun to the range with a 5 pack of 2 or 3 different types of buckshot to see which worked best. That might be an idea worth putting in your kit bag.]

The next is that shotguns are super easy to use. I won't say that is entirely wrong but using them in a realistic combat situation takes some practice. The real issue is that these folks are using two very different standards. The standard for using a shotgun is that they can load it, chamber a round and shoot a target or a cardboard box 15 feet away. The rifle standard is that you have to be able to field strip it while hanging blindfolded from money bars and engage man sized targets out to 300 meters with iron sights in driving rain and wind. See an issue here? If we narrow the rifle standards to CQB at ranges of 50 meters or less (which greatly decreases the marksmanship factor) it is a whole different discussion.

To be honest I would give the rifle an advantage because it is easier to make fast follow up shots with due to the lower felt recoil and being self loading. If, after a short orientation you handed a dozen random people a shotgun and had them put one shot per target into a few targets at realistic defensive ranges and did the exact same thing with an AR or a Mini 14 or an AK I would bet an 18 year old bottle of Scotch the rifle would win out.

Let us look at it another way. What would you think of a rifle which must be manually reloaded and has a capacity of 5-8 rounds? Why should a shotgun somehow be different?

Now onto rifles. I will talk in generalities about AR and AK pattern rifles and most of it would apply to a Mini 14 or whatever you run. I would call stopping power even as both are quite sufficient. You can't exactly kill people twice or anything. Rifles win hands down in capacity with 3-4 times as much ammo as a standard pump shotgun, also they penetrate soft body armor. While home invasions are relatively rare they are getting more common. This scenario is definitely an ugly one, but an ugly one where rifles shine. Also rifles are useful at much longer ranges. An AK or AR which could defend your living room could hit a man sized target a couple football fields (or much further, I’ve seen 800 meter hits with an M4 and an ACOG) away. Past 50ish meters or maybe a bit more with slugs and iron sights, cursing is more effective than a shotgun.

That does not say shotguns don't have some real strengths.

Cost is a huge plus. New pump shotguns cost somewhere around $300. You can buy gently used Mossberg 500's and Remington 870's for around $200-220 all day long. Seriously shotguns are great because everybody can afford one. If you can't afford a basic pump shotgun with a little bit of planning then I recommend you reexamine your life and finances.

The next biggest plus is versatility. With one weapon you could shoot a turkey in the morning, pheasants at mid day, a deer just before nightfall and have something very comforting in your tent or cabin at night. With a long choked barrel and a short open cylinder you are good to go for a lot. Toss in a rifled one to shoot slugs and that is even more versatility. There isn't (not including oddballs like those single barrel rifle/ shotgun things) another weapon out there that can do that.

Also pump shotguns are good because they have evaded pretty much every anti gun law out there. You can’t have an AK in Cali or Washington DC but you can have a shotgun. Lastly you can't get much more common than 12 gauge. If they sell bullets they have shotgun shells. Also if I had to come into a place and need to mooch ammo a shotgun would be a good gun to have.

Now before somebody bites my head off just because something else is better doesn't mean shotguns aren't an acceptable tool. To the question are shotguns, in a standard over the counter configuration sufficient for home defense I would say yes. To be honest if you can’t handle a problem in the house with a tube full of buckshot you probably can’t handle it anyway. That however doesn’t mean I don’t like to put the odds in my favor as much as I can.

I own both and you probably should too.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Whenever the issue of pump shotguns for serious use comes up, I always like to trundle out the FBI bank robbery shootout in Miami as a rebuttal. Make mine a semi:

http://www.thegunzone.com/11april86.html

There are at least half a dozen serious lessons in this story, not related to shotguns, but related to appropriate armament, eyesight issues, weapons retainage, and staying in the fight (or lack thereof).

H

Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas Ryan and best wishes to you and yours in the New Year.
Now, to the ol' "which is better" arguement.
I've never been much of a shotgun guy. Until I took a class in "Tactical Shotgun", that is. I was amazed at what "I" could do with some good training and a little practice. I have a pump with an 18" barrel and a bead sight. After a couple of days of rapid follow-up, malfunctions, and keeping the beast fed, I hit,(on the first try) a 10" target, with a slug, at 100yd. Fluke? Maybe. But man-sized @100yd was 5 for 5. The main problem with shotguns is, as you point out, rounds on board. Though not as fast as a mag change with 30 rounders in an AR, with practice you can feed a pump fairly quick and stay in the fight. Next problem is rounds available. I have my shotty for home defense. 5 in the pipe, one in the chamber, 6 in a side-saddle, and a bandoleer with 10 slug, 30 .00, and 10 bird, (don't ask me why), gives me 62 12 guage at hand. So long as I am able that could add up to a pile of carnage.
I also have a nice AR and would not blink at using it for home protection as well. Not enough mags yet, but I'm working on it. I also need more training/practice to be more effecient with it. I'm good but not great.
Bottom line, whatever you have, learn it. All are good, any is better than none.
Thanks for your service and may God Bless.
DesertRatJak

Chris said...

Good post!

DW and I talked about in the car today. We wanted to pile on to the versatility issue: versatility means a firearm which is used in many settings which means, often, higher levels of proficiency due to experience and practice.

For the "average" Joe who is not going to do this professionally or seek large amounts of training, it is probably better for him to use a shotgun which he also shoots skeet with every week and has been hunting with for every season for decades as a defensive longarm rather than reaching for an AR or AK that is used rarely or just for plinking at the range a few times a year.

Cheers,
Chris from AK

Danny Pizdetz said...

My sentiments run along with with DesertRatJak.

Is a shotgun the best primary home defense gun? I'm not sure. You accurately describe how it does not spread at the rate that people expect from Hollywood films. And it does not have the magazine capacity that I would prefer from most defense weapons, not that it's not possible to buy shotguns with that acapability, it's just that they're illegal in the US.

I prefer a shotgun as my primary defense home gun for the psychological work that an enormous report carries. Yes, it is important that I stop a home invader, but it is equally important to me that he and his bad guy friends shit their pants. This is the same reason why I've never approved the changed from the M60 to the SAW. On a truely technical level it is more important to have more ammo that can be delivered accurately, but in the real word it is more important for your opponent to shit his pants. When you shoot someone with a 12 gauge, they are worried they will die. Not only them, but your neighbors on both sides will shit their pants and call the cops. The bad guys backup driver will start the car and leave the scene.

Will this always be the case? No. If we've been in quarantine for a few months or in rebellion for a few months, attitudes will have changed. But I train for the most obvious circumstance with a few insurances for really hard times.

Anonymous said...

@H, I agree. Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read.

@Desert Rat Jack, Rounds on board followed by speed of reloading (both manually cycling the action and feeding rounds into the tube)are the primary issues as I see them.

@Chris, I would call what you are talking about muscle memory. On one hand if you have significant muscle memory in a viable firearm then there probably isn't a driving need to switch, even if a better one is available. If I was a 65 year old retired small town cop who spent his whole life shooting double action revolvers I would stick with them.

On the other hand if a recoilless self aiming weapon that holds 500 rounds and is the size of a normal gun but lighter comes out you better believe I will get one and train up on it.

@Danny, The noise of a pump shotgun is readily identifiable which is a plus.
-TOR

Anonymous said...

I own (and prefer) any one of half a dozen battle rifles (M-1 Garand, M-1A, AR-15/M-4gery, Mini-14) to either my Mossberg 590 of any of several Remington 870s, overall.
BUT...the place wherein a shotgun shines requires no more searching than any western with a lonely marshal and deputy vs. a surly lynch mob scene.
Yes, a lever gun the, or an AK or AR now would have much better capacity ad range.
But when the bad guys(or potential ones) are up close and ugly, they know you MIGHT get on or two of them with a rifle. But those shots may only wound. They dead-certain KNOW that at body odor ranges, 1 or 2 rounds of 00 - let alone a small covey of slugs - ae going to KILL someone. And probably multiple someones, due to muzzle velocity overpenetration in a target rich engagement.
Echoing the "make the badguys shit their pants" argument, in that sort of party, there are darn few thugs willing to commit to being heroes and taking one for the team.
There's a reason some guys on patrol in Nam would pack the extra 6 pounds of riot gun to break up human rush tactics.
A 12 ga. isn't for 100 round or 200 yard fights.
But at 10 yards, it's a handheld grizzly bear; a poor choice to start a fight, but a great way to end one.

Anonymous said...

I agree with a lot you are saying, but consider that not everyone is a 20 or 30 something male that is physically capable of being at their peak condition. Also consider that most of the population are not military nor LEO trained, or that they have been shooting firearms for a long time. There are a lot of people who haven't even shot a brick of .22 ammo yet, their last experience shooting a Red Ryder BB gun in the 'burbs when they were little. Arm them with a semi-auto - ??

Then there is the physical.

Get past 40 and the 'mileage' begins to take its toll. The car accidents, sports injuries from teen year impact sports or falls survived bring some pains and physical limitations that no longer allow us to vault through windows and do the paired M60 numchuk moves that kill all 1099 zombies around them in 3 seconds.

Olde Eye don't focus iron sights too well - apertures really help keep us in the game. Scopes are better, but they can go bad pretty quick unless taken care of.

For us, keeping it simple would likely bring the same result. There is only so much one can do and ammunition logistics goes two ways, the invader having to bring their supply or find it, vs. the supply you have on hand in your location. Same weight, only yours is in a fixed location.

Those combination rifle barrel over shotgun are a good option. They bring two different capabilities to the table, especially valuable to the forager that has to bring SOMETHING home to eat. Whether rimfire or centerfire over shotgun - very practical gun.

Thanks for the great post sir.