It is about time to talk this subject again in my rotating semi repetitive foundational posts. Magazines are important because well magazine fed firearms suck without them. Seriously for want of a magazine a quality defensive firearm becomes a slow to reload single shot weapon.
Quality- I strongly recommend that you buy only factory original magazines for practical defensive use. Buying junk aftermarket magazines is penny smart and dollar foolish, I can’t think of many other ways to invite more grief into your shooting life. If you really want to have “range mags” that are junk then I guess that is fine but keep them separate. Personally I don’t see the point in this as I train with what I would fight with and even if that was not the case I still hate bad mags, even at the range.
The one exception to this is for military pattern weapons. Surplus/ government magazines are typically comparable to factory originals. Also for these military pattern weapons sometimes a magazine is so ambiguous that many companies have quality offerings, this is the case with the AR and 1911 and maybe to a lesser degree the AK given the new US Palm offerings.
Cost- When most reasonable people buy a car they consider the cost to insure and repair it. Sometimes you might be looking at two similar cars and one may (usually because it is foreign or rare) have much higher costs. I recommend you do the same with guns in terms of spare parts, ammo (both separate topics) and magazines. I’m not saying to absolutely avoid guns like Sig’s and HK’s with high magazine costs in favor of ones with much lower cost magazines like Glocks or 1911’s or the Browning HP or whatever. My point is to consider the costs and make sure you can afford them.
Spending all the money to have a defensive pistol or rifle and having less than a handful of mags because of their cost is flat out stupid. I read something on line about a guy who used a rare and from all I have heard very nice Valumet .308 as his rifle. He had one twenty round mag, which a friend lost but that brings us to a whole different topic, for the thing. Seriously he could swap it for a good G3 clone and have a combat load of magazines for the price of lunch at a casual dining restaurant.
Quantity- This is certainly a subject for debate. Personally my happy levels are 10 for a pistol and 20 for a rifle. My standard load would be 3 pistol magazines and about 7 rifle magazines, though of course it depends on the situation. This gives me a full load of magazines, a spare set (maybe at another location) and a few for replacement/trade/friends. Note that this is PER GUN. So if you have three pistols it would be 30 magazines, for two AR’s would be 40 magazines, etc. Also this is for core type defensive weapons. For .22’s, a .380 pocket pistol, etc I keep somewhere around 5. Admittedly my appreciation of nice round numbers could be a factor.
Some folks might be comfortable with less and that is probably reasonable. Two full loads of magazines is probably a good bottom point. For a pretty conventional setup would be about 6 per pistol and more than a dozen per rifle. This is enough that if a magazine is lost or damaged and you can’t replace it immediately it will not be a critical loss.
Some folks like more magazines and that is just fine too. Our friend Commander Zero brings up the point that magazines are the easiest and most likely piece of gun stuff to be targeted by a ban, heck we had one for a miserable decade. It is entirely possible that almost overnight % or that what you have could be ALL YOU WILL EVER GET. I came of gun buying age during that ban and it sucked. When I started making decent money and had taken care of a few more pressing matters I put some money into magazines. If what I have now is all I am ever going to get that wouldn’t be ideal but I would not be completely hosed either. Think about that for awhile and skipping a couple dinners out (make your spouse dinner or do something else nice instead) to have a few magazines put away just in case might not seem like a bad idea.
Replacement-Magazines are a disposable item that have a finite lifespan and require periodic replacement. In this regard they are sort of like a Timex digital watch. They last a long time but they do inevitable break or get worn out and the easiest course of action is to replace them when that happens.
If there was a list of things that cause shooters unnecessary problems using magazines that are worn out, damaged or otherwise unserviceable; comes after buying bad mags in the first place, and would be followed by using cheap ammo in a gun that can’t handle it.
Why go through the hassle. Seriously it isn’t that big of an expense to buy quality magazines and periodically replace them. If springs are worn out replace the spring. If the magazine body is worn out then toss it.
Maintenance-Inspect magazines to make sure they are free of rust and that the inside is not all gummed up with crud. Oiling magazines in not recommended as it attracts gunk which causes issues. Just take them apart and wipe them down now and then.
Rotating- This is a hotly debated topic to which I am not sure there is a right answer. Springs can get ‘set’ and that causes the magazine to jam and have feeding issues or completely lock up or in some cases just puke out bullets. This is bad for obvious reasons. My observation is that functional magazines can stay loaded for months at a time with no noticeable issues. I don’t know what the right answer is. One clear benefit of rotating magazines is that it CONFIRMS that the magazine is still functional and that it will work. Best case it gives you an opportunity to confirm the mags are good and do a quick cleaning. Worst case it could show you that a magazine may need some TLC or new springs. The best time to find out you need to do this is when you are maintaining/ rotating magazines, not when you need the darn gun to work.
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There is probably a wide range of quality of steel and heat-treatment in mag springs from various makers.
I have two Glock mags that came with a Model 23 purchased in 1992. They have been stored fully loaded at all times. There was one five year period when I did not fire that gun at all. Both those mags still function perfectly.
I remember the Clinton ban on standard capacity (refuse to call them hi-cap) and only having reduced 10 round capacity to choose from. My Glock 21 normally came with a 13 round magazine, reduced to 10. Oh, you could buy a 13 round - for $160. For an additional 3 rounds . . . sheesh!
I think it's good to have some known faulty magazines for training and range use!
WOAH! did I really say that!
yep, what better way to learn to clear a misfeed or any other malfunction when your life is not hanging on the balance! I also use dummy cartridges to simulate misfires for the same reason.
train with them and learn your best method to get back into action before it's for real!
jpf
WRT rotating magazines:
My strategy is probably a little more time-consuming than most, but let me know what you think. I leave my pistol mags empty in the house until I'm ready to carry, at which point I bust-out the Uplula. Once I'm back home, they get emptied. The minute there's a problem with one of my mags, you can be sure I know about it.
When at home, my handgun defense is revolvers, with extra speedloaders pre-positioned
(indefinitely) in appropriate locations.
Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg
JD, I would agree that Glock mags seem to hold up very well. The most compelling reason I can think of to rotate/clean/inspect mags is to CONFIRM that they work. It is great that those mags were good, but if they hadn't been and you found out because you needed them to work...Well that would really be bad.
@6:23, I do also. I got a .40 when I probably would have otherwise gotten a 9 because if I could only have 10 I wanted them to be bigger. It wasn't worth it to me either. I remember a friend of mine had 1 factory Glock mag for his G17 and we thought it was about the coolect thing ever. I couldn't do anything about it back then. Now that they are readily available and I have adult with a real job type resources I have taken some efforts to ensure I will not be in that position again.
JPF, Not a bad pay to go about it I guess.
Snoop, Do you carry an auto regularly? Seems like that would get old in a hurry. Makes sense for a gun you don't carry much though.
-TOR
The loading and unloading of magazines is what causes the springs to erode in effectiveness. There numerous instances of old G.I. 1911 magazines that have been found loaded for the last 50 years and still function. It is the "work hardening" and repeated compression of the springs that causes malfuntions.
Reloading your mags everytime you go out is about the worst thing you could possibly do...
TOR, I do carry regularly (although not every day), and "yes", it does "get old" every now & then. But it's like anything else worth doing in life that isn't 'fun' every minute of the day.
Brushing your teeth, oil changes, doing the dishes & taking out the trash. It all gets done because it's the right thing to do in the long run. They're just good habits, and it doesn't take but a minute of your time, anyway.
If I listened to the likes of our friend on 07 December, I guess we should keep those running shoes locked up, nice & safe in the closet, so we'll always be ready if we ever need them? I bet half the guys out there have *no idea* when they last loaded or unloaded their mags.
Snoop-Diggity-DANG-Dawg
Tor- I haven't been back to this blog in a while so this is way late, sorry.
Maybe I was un-clear, when I said those two mags were "stored fully loaded at all times", I meant between trips to the range. Other than the five year gap, those mags have been shot empty on a pretty regular basis. I always use those mags at the range, it's the only place I use them, cause they are the only non-drop free mags I own. They, and all my other regular mags get reloaded right after a range session.
I have quite a few mags for each of my guns (I want more though) and cycle through most of them regularly. Some new, un-used ones I keep stored for future use.
I firmly believe in using, testing and re-verifying my weapons, ammo, mags and my own skills frequently.
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