Showing posts with label ammo. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ammo. Show all posts

Friday, April 11, 2014

RE: 5.56 Duty Ammo

Prairie Patriot asked
"Do you consider green tip to be your stash for a SHTF scenario or do you look at it as quality training ammo?

I've been stashing away green tip for a while, but I also keep an eye out for Hornady TAP (usually the barrier blind variety) when there's a good deal on sale. I've heard Black Hills 50 grain TSX is a good round as well for barrier penetration.

I guess I've never been quite clear on how TAP/Black Hills barrier blind type loads would perform on something like Level III body armor. I'm pretty sure non-barrier blind like TAP FPD would not perform as well since it's designed to expand and fragment.

Or do you think it's not a huge enough difference to worry about between green tip vs. barrier blind commercial ammo when it comes down to slinging lead in a SHTF scenario firefight?"


Ryan here: I sort of touched on this awhile back with Reader Question: JHP Ammo for the Emergency Stash. Personally when it comes to centerfire rifles by and large ammo is ammo. Sure there are reliability and accuracy concerns but rifle rounds are so fast they are pretty effective with any reasonable load.

Specifically this ammo is for the ammo stash though if I wanted training ammo I'd have ordered the same stuff. Over time I'll probably train with other ammo purchased long ago till the stash is M855 or comparable ammo. Given the modest cost difference between it and cheaper XM193 or generic 55gr FMJ I don't see a reason not to train with what I'd fight with.

As to 'barrier blind' ammo I personally would have to see some pretty compelling evidence to justify the additional expense as well as potential POI/ Zero issues. 5.56 just isn't a great penetration of barriers any way you cut it. The answer is either to shoot more to punch a hole, get a better angle or pack a different gun, something .30 cal be it an AK or some sort of .308.

As to general ballistic effectiveness if yous hoot somebody with 5.56 in a spot that will kill them and they'll probably die. I say probably because no small arm is a true 100% sure thing. Folks have gotten shot (COL Charles Beckwith and somebody else specifically) with 14.5mm, AKA the red .50, in the chest and returned to active service.

To answer the armor question. Any centerfire rifle is going to penetrate soft body armor be it an AR, AK or Aunt May's .243 deer rifle. As to hard (Class III/ IV) body armor none of the stuff we've discussed is going to penetrate as it is rated to stop .308 and 30'06 M2AP ammo respectively.

I'm not passionately against TAP or any other type of comparable ammo but simply do not see the need. A more compelling argument can be made with 7.62x39 sheerly due to QA/ QC issues. I love me some Wolf but if I had to shoot the guy holding a knife to someones neck I'd rather be slinging TAP than risk Vladdy had a bit more Vodka than usual when he made that particular bullet.

I'm perfectly comfortable with M855 as my go to. Honestly if I was going to branch out from there it would be to something more like the Black Hills MK 262 Mod 0 but for my current situation I'm happy with what I have. 

Thoughts?

Thursday, April 10, 2014

RE: Ammo Now, Savage Hog Hunter in a bit or Visa Versa

I asked about this and you all chimed in. After digesting it all I decided to go with the ammo. After some consideration I decided to go with the excellent deal on M855 62 grain 5.56 ammo. The rifle isn't going anywhere and I can use the spare time to figure out how to set it up right, research my 7.62x51 options and make sure it's what I want to do. I think a Savage Hog Hunter set up with QD rings on a rail base set up to shoot a 150 grain soft point well and 147 grain surplus type FMJ acceptably would be a really versatile setup. Down the road when I have more cash I'll upgrade the scope to something like this SWFA SS 3x15 and keep the current one (a plane Jane 3x9 Leupold) as a backup. That's half the reason for the QD setup. That I could zero the current scope then at my affordability/ leisure upgrade and have an already zeroed back up appeals to me.

Hopefully in a month or so I'll be a proud owner of a new .308 rifle. In any case I'll have some more 5.56 ammo.That is a comforting feeling. Given that I'm paying a bit under 40 cents a round for quality 5.56 I think it is a heck of a deal. Something I really wanted during firearmagedon and now am purchasing.

To the fellow who asked about the amount of 5.56 currently on inventory. My semi coy answer is 'more than I probably need but less than I want'. Personally I'd like to have 3,000 rounds of ammo (a gun so 2 guns would be 6k, etc) per fighting rifle. Am not quite there. We could debate that number but it's what gives me a warm and fuzzy. This puts me significantly closer to that goal.

Anyway I'm going to be doing a bit better on 5.56 ammo which is good.

Tuesday, February 18, 2014

Fighting Load Contest #9 Archer Garrett

Today I am proud to bring Entry #9 of our Fighting Load Contest by Archer Garrett

We'll be talking chest rigs and battle belts as well as guns and get home bags/ assault packs. Get yours together to win some great prizes including:
1st: Blackhawk 3 day Assault Pack ($90) AND a $50 gift certificate from LuckyGunner.com ($50 value) plus 2 copies of The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
2nd: HERC stove from Titan Ready Water ($169 value) plus The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
Note: Prizes 1 and 2 are really closely matched. As such the overall winner can pick the Lucky Gunner stuff OR the HERC. 2nd place gets what is left. 2 books will go to #1 and 1 book to #2.
3rd Place: 3 Sport Berkey Water Bottles donated by LPC Survival ($69 value)
4th Place:  A Lifestraw donated by Camping Survival ($20 value)
5th Place: A pair of Gyver Gear survival tin's
6th Place: The Western Front (hardcopy) or 3x e books by Archer Garrett.
Wildcard: This one goes to whoever I want to give it to for whatever reason I feel like. It will be a grab bag donated by yours truly. The exact makeup is TBD depending on what I have lying around  and may include books, gear, medical stuff or even a couple silver dimes. ($30+  value).
For a good example of a post reference my EDC Contest entry. Those should give you a good idea what type of thing I'm looking for. I will probably do a full fighting load post some time before the contest is over.


The contest is going to run from today 16 December to  around 1 March. Voting will start after the last entry is shown on the blog. Voting will run for about a week and will decide the winner's who get the prizes.

Goal:
Build a setup for home/property defense.  Able to be supplemented by a ruck for longer excursions, but capable of minimal sustainment in the event of an emergency E&E. 
Design Parameters:
Value
Minimal Movement Restriction
Simple & Lightweight
Able to be Worn Over Armor
Able to be Concealed Under a Loose Jacket (Large Carhartt)
Compatible With a Vehicle/Sitting
Compatible With a Pack

Value:
A FLC II vest was chosen because it is ridiculously cheap (~$10).  Since the carrier is usually the most expensive component, value is achieved.

Minimal Movement Restriction:
Though it rides higher than a belt-based system, I'm still able to get low if need be.  It also rides high enough to wear a pistol on my belt if so desired. 

Simple & Lightweight:
Note - there are no pistol mags on this setup.  This was a conscious decision to reduce weight and bulk.  It's not necessarily a given that I'll even have a service pistol on me.  Perhaps I will, but I won't have spare mags.  At the least, I'll probably have a .380 in my pocket.  If my main weapon goes down, I don't plan on continuing a rifle fight with a handgun, though.  I realize this might be controversial to some.

Able to be Worn Over Armor:
On the back of the FLC I threaded a strap through the belt portion and added a side-release buckle.  You can see it in the pic behind the First-Aid Kit.  Without armor, the vest fits snug and doesn't have any play.  If I wear armor underneath, however, I can't zip the vest without adjusting the straps (a pain).  In that case, I fasten the front chest and waist buckles and connect the rear buckle to my belt.  This keeps the vest firmly in position.

Able to be Concealed Under a Loose Jacket (Large Carhartt):
What the heck are you talking about, Archer??  Well, let me explain:
In a post-disaster, semi-WROL scenario, looking like a threat to the authorities is going to attract attention - so don't.  Also, I may prefer not look all G'd up while walking my property lines. 

None of my pouches are placed so high or protrude so far out that I can't throw on my Carhartt and just look like a dude that needs to lose 30 pounds.  Seriously, I could wear this system under a coat a walk down a busy street with my hands in my pocket and no one would even notice me.  Replace the rifle mags with pistol mags and you would have a pretty robust system that could be discreetly worn while executing an urban E&E from your top-floor office to the parking garage 6 blocks away. 

Compatible With a Vehicle/Sitting:
First-Aid Kit looks low, but it does not impede sitting.  Again, the FLC rides high, so their is no discomfort with it in a vehicle or in any other position.
Miscellaneous:
Zip ties (for use as restraints) are something I'm surprised I haven't seen in more kits.  These are the fat boys - you're not getting out of 'em.  One is already started, ready to be tightened down.

Like Max, I like the canteen pouch for miscellaneous/admin duties.  Plenty of room in it for add'l items. 

Not Shown:  prep pads for the first aid kit. 




Shameless plug:  Pick up my book, The Western Front, it's FREE here and on Amazon.  

End Post

Ryan here. I like a lot about this setup. That it is something most folks can afford to own and own duplicates of is pretty nice. Archer and I talked about it a bit. This type rig could be a pretty multi purpose setup. This is significant as you can reasonably have a couple spares lying around which is harder to do with a $80 belt covered in $50 pouches. Example: You are going out into the woods. Have your gear, a few BXP 25's for your Ruger 10/22, a good knife, etc. Use this instead of a daypack. These are pretty comfortable and you are more likely to have it ON YOUR BODY than a pack that inevitable gets taken off whenever you stop. As to improves I would move the first aid kit up onto the vest proper. Archer and I talked about this some and he is going to give it a shot.

Thoughts?

Friday, February 7, 2014

Fighting Load Entry #8 by Mike P

 Today I am proud to bring Entry #8 of our Fighting Load Contest by Mike P

We'll be talking chest rigs and battle belts as well as guns and get home bags/ assault packs. Get yours together to win some great prizes including:
1st: Blackhawk 3 day Assault Pack ($90) AND a $50 gift certificate from LuckyGunner.com ($50 value) plus 2 copies of The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
2nd: HERC stove from Titan Ready Water ($169 value) plus The Reluctant Partisan by John Mosby.
Note: Prizes 1 and 2 are really closely matched. As such the overall winner can pick the Lucky Gunner stuff OR the HERC. 2nd place gets what is left. 2 books will go to #1 and 1 book to #2.
3rd Place: 3 Sport Berkey Water Bottles donated by LPC Survival ($69 value)
4th Place:  A Lifestraw donated by Camping Survival ($20 value)
5th Place: A pair of Gyver Gear survival tin's
6th Place: The Western Front (hardcopy) or 3x e books by Archer Garrett.
Wildcard: This one goes to whoever I want to give it to for whatever reason I feel like. It will be a grab bag donated by yours truly. The exact makeup is TBD depending on what I have lying around  and may include books, gear, medical stuff or even a couple silver dimes. ($30+  value).
For a good example of a post reference my EDC Contest entry. Those should give you a good idea what type of thing I'm looking for. I will probably do a full fighting load post some time before the contest is over.


The contest is going to run from today 16 December to  around 1 March. Voting will start after the last entry is shown on the blog. Voting will run for about a week and will decide the winner's who get the prizes.

So, here is my current fighting load, minus my OSOE AK chest rig which is out on loan to a friend who is attending a few classes over the winter. Wont be back until well after this contest closes.

Kit is as follow's:

Rifle Dynamics AK-47 AMD-65 with Fuller Rear Sight Mod, Primary Arms Micro Dot, Surefire G2X Light (other side of rifle, sorry),  AMD-65-Tech cheek riser, OSOE 2 point bungee sling w/ quick release.

13 Yugo BHO AK-47 magazines. Usually carried as 1 in rifle, 8 mags in chest rig & 4 mags in Voodoo mag carrier on assault pack belt.

GLOCK 19C, Crossbreed Supertuck deluxe, four 15 round GLOCK mags (one in gun, one in a kydex pocket carry edc sheath, two in Blackhawk double mag carrier on assault pack belt).

Streamlight Stylus Pro, pocket carry.

Smith & Wesson folder, pocket carry.

Mora Knife.

Maxpedition Vulture 2 assault pack, Maxpedition tool case w/ weapons cleaning kit/spare parts, Maxpedition admin pouch (center belt), Maxpedition radio holder with Baofeng UV5R (1 of 8 in our group), Blackhawk double mag carrier, Voodoo 4x AK mag carrier, el-cheapo IFAK with Blow Out Kit & boo-kit (usually carried in chest rig). Strei-Pen/Water bladder. 

Contents of bag can be added need be...

Hope this makes the cut!

Yours in Liberty,
Mike P

"For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it."
-Patrick Henry

End Post.

Ryan here and as always a big thanks to Mike for the entry. I've got to say I really like this setup! A very well set up fighting rifle in the form of an excellent AK is a great start. This rifle dynamics AK probably cost some coin but a common man prices WASR or PAP could be set up basically the same way. 
While I lean slightly towards the AR platform due to thousands of hours of use and it's large logistical trail (not sure if that's the right way to say it but so many people and groups use AR's thus parts, mags, ammo are out there in huge numbers.) but the AK has some real advantages. First of all 7.62x39 ammo is currently running $219 for1,000 rounds. That means it is more cost effective to stock it and TRAIN with your rifle. Also while it is admittedly a race to the bottom I would lean towards an AK over an AR in terms of sheer ruggedness. Say what you want about them but the darn things rarely break.

Can't every argue with a Glock 19 except that it's boring, as in boringly accurate,  boringly reliable and used by so many different types of serious hard use folks that reading that list would be boring too.

The only thing I could really add would be some chow. Honestly that might well be in the assault pack and just not listed. In any case a $3 box of granola bars and an MRE or a 2nd box of bars would fix that.

Edited to include: After an email conversation with Mike he has 3 days worth of chow in the assault pack. Most excellent. End edit. 

Note I have a few more entries stacked up ready to go. Due to some complications in the last contest I leave them marked as unread in my in box until I'm ready to post them. You won't hear from me until I get around to putting your entry up on the blog.
Got Fighting Load?

Friday, December 27, 2013

2014 New Years Resolutions- Soliciting Input

I am going to try a different way of breaking these up this year. More by function than anything else.

Edited to include: the stuff in light grey are long shots. By long shots I mean they are not realistically funded based on projected levels of spending. Admittedly this is pretty unscientific since I do not have an exact projected preps budget that is divided amongst different areas. It's probably more of a gut feeling based on the last few years of what I will realistically be able to do than anything else.

Shoot
Skills:
Attend a quality defensive pistol course. Scheduled in one for early 2014.
Try to attend an Appleseed if I can. Due to scheduling and other life stuff this is a long shot.
Following said defensive pistol course begin a dry fire regimen.
Shoot more often. Ideally at least monthly but certainly not more than bi monthly.

Stuff:
Finish the 870 P project. Refinish, light, sling, ammo cards, ammo holding system to match.
Get a .30 cal precision rifle almost surely a .308.
I have been semi casually looking for a single shot 12 gauge shotgun to go all Dave Canterbury. If I find one I will buy it.
Set up the big wheel gun the way I want it. Grips, holster, belt, speed loaders, etc all
Put nice grips on the 642 like Alexander Wolfe's.
 Maybe start on an AR pistol

Consumables and minor stuff:
250 rounds buckshot
250 rounds #4 shot
250 slugs
Get a quality kydex outside waistband Glock holster with mag pouches to match
4 Ruger 10/22 BXP mags
A case of 5.56 ammo
A stripped AR-15 lower receiver
Long shot a case of 9mm FMJ and a second case of 5.56 ammo
10 each PMAGs
 6x Glock 17 mags
I can always use another 10/22 or a Glock 19 but those are big time long shots.


Move
Fitness:
Run more, keeping better track of it. Maybe do a marathon or something.
Keep up a decent weight lifting regimen with hard circuit based body weight type stuff.
Generally keep on doing good things

Stuff:
Break in all extra boots that are currently accessible.
Not sure exactly where this fits but I want to firm up our heavy (vehicle) bug out packing list then have that stuff ready to go. Also continue developing all of our systems
Purchase a small enclosed trailer. 

Communicate:
Skills: Get a ham radio license
Get better with HTLM and web coding stuff (any advice would be great)

Stuff:
Get a ham radio, probably one of the little Baeofong (spelling) setups to start.
Get a set of 2 (4 would be better) good FRS radios with head sets. I have a pair in storage that might work but I've got to test them.
Get a scanner 

Sustain:
Keep building our food supply to the interim goal of having a year's worth for 4 people
Get chickens
Start growing some herbs n stuff. Maybe sprouts too.

Survive:
Continue to improve our cache situation
Work to develop primitive skills
Pick up another full tang medium sized survival/ general purpose knife or maybe two plus stuff to round out some of the redundant parts of my various kits
Get 3-4 more wool blankets

Alternative Energy:
Skills: Use the stuff we have more to figure out how to make it work for our needs. This includes a good plan for charging Wifey's smart phone on the go.

Stuff : Wifey mentioned wanting to get a generator before hurricane season. We are far enough North in Louisiana so as to avoid utter destruction but can definitely lose power. A buddy up here lost power for a week during Rita. This worried Wifey. So we might just get a generator. Probably an EU 2000 like Zero has.

Stashing a half dozen or so military gas cans would be nice. Enough gas to completely fill up both our vehicles twice and run a genny enough to keep the freezer cold, charge batteries and watch a bit of news for at least 2 weeks (a month would be better) would be great. Got to do some math on that one.

That's what I have planned for this coming year. If there are any major changes as things calm down I'll publish a final draft, otherwise I'll run with this one.

What do you plan to do?

Friday, December 20, 2013

Ammo Situation PNW 20 DEC 2013

I said awhile back that Firearmagedon was sliding into history. Won't back away from that. Guns are back at full availability. Mags are at full availability. Ammo with the exception of .22lr is back though prices are taking longer to drop down to normal than I would have expected.

Over the last few days I've done some ammo shopping here in the PNW. For reference it is the first time I have done so in about 15 months. Here are some non scientific anecdotal observations.

One shop decreased the amount of space they use for ammo by 2/3rds replacing the shelf space with more accessories, scopes, binoculars, etc. Even the newly adjusted space was not full. For pistols they had plenty of premium defensive ammo but no FMJ range stuff. Plenty of hunting rifle and shotgun ammo. A decent stash of 7.62x39.

The two wally worlds I've been to were hit and miss in terms of ammo. One had the .38 special plinking ammo I was looking for in addition to .40S&W and .45. No 9mm to speak of. They had little hunting rifle ammo but plenty of shotgun and some 7.62x39. The other had a solitary box of .38 plus some .40 S&W and a lot of .223 albeit at current prices.

It looks like you can find ammo for anything but .22lr which was entirely absent. I know it is being made but the stuff is just flying off the shelves. The whole thing has been really weird but in any case if/ when it comes back to a normal inventory I am going to double our stash.

What is the ammo situation like in your AO?

Saturday, December 14, 2013

Operational Cache Pack Out

So far it is looking like:
Rifle
about a dozen mags
full spare parts kit (gun minus barrel and receiver)
sling

Revolver, j frame lightweight type
3x speed loaders
IWB holster
pocket holster

A pretty comprehensive cleaning kit that will cover both weapons.
Good EDC type folder.
Tossed in a few common mags just in case I happen to need them.

Tomorrow I'm going to buy some ammo from Lucky Gunner to go into there. Also a chest rig for the rifle. That's what will come from here. The rest I'll put together on the other end.

Saturday, December 7, 2013

Operational Cache Input Bleg

Say you wanted to put a military pattern rifle and a revolver away for a rainy day. Say space for ancillary stuff is a consideration as is total cost so skip the cliche answer of buy eleventy million rounds and a hundred mags.

Off the top of my head:
Obviously the rifle
10-12 mags for the rifle
Sling
Something to carry mags, an IFAK would be a good idea too
About 600 rounds of ammo, a case would be better
Basic spare parts kit for rifle

Ye old wheel gun
Holster for the revolver. Maybe a CCW type holster and another open carry/ tactical one
At least 100 rounds of ammo. 250+ would be better
3x speedloaders
Something to hold speedloaders

Cleaning kit that is compatible with both weapons
Extra bottle of oil
Box of cue tips

Non gun related stuff:
Folding knife
Flashlight
Backpack
Boots
Some clothes

Note: I am not looking for a survive in the woods forever setup and have well resourced compatriates in the area so if I need a screwdriver or a leatherman or whatever I can get it. My concern is mostly about generic defensive/ CCW needs or worst case if things turn ugly in the form of a local or regional disaster.

Thoughts?

Friday, November 29, 2013

Black Friday Deals PT II

Black Friday at Camping Survival. The little Kato Voyager radio is an excellent value at $40 so it's a fantastic one at $18. They can be powered multiple ways and charge cell phones. We handed them out to villagers in Afghanistan so they could pick up our fair and balanced radio station. Tons of deals on food also.

Lucky Gunner has electronic ear muff's for $17 which is a good deal. Glock 19 mags for $25 a pop is the best non bulk (10+) deal I've seen in over a year. Eagle ambidextrous drop holsters for $20 are a steal. It would be great to have 2-3 around to equip friends who suddenly need one for their nightstand gun if the schumer hits the ventilator. At what are getting to be fairly normal prices they have 7.62x39 - 122 gr HP - Tula Cartridge Works - 1000 Rounds for $244 and 5.56x45 - 62 gr FMJ M855 - PMC - 1000 Rounds for $455.

If you've got some coin to spend these are excellent deals to take advantage of. 

Thursday, November 21, 2013

Blah Day But Great Ammo Deal

It seems the Knock Out Game is spreading to Philly as well as most large eastern cities full of "urban youth". It is reaching critical mass to the point that even the MSM can't ignore it. Honestly this so called "game" played solely by young black men does not worry me at all personally. I do not live in a place where that sort of thing happens and are not out late anyway (sure some of these incidents are at 2pm on a Saturday but a lot also happen late). When it comes down to it I am not, nor do I physically look like a victim. That being said not everyone is a young aggressive guy with some training. Plenty of fine people fall into the broad victim category and happen to live in large urban areas. I'm not sure where this trend will go but it could easily get really bad. I fear "urban youth" do not know just how crazy whitey can get.

The Senate passed The Nuclear Option so basically the majority party can confirm whatever nominees they want. Aside from the short term power grab for a real long term risk I am ambivalent about what it means politically. That being said in my mind the senate's best quality has been that it's numerous committees, arcane complicated rules and customs made it so almost nothing ever happens so I'm not a fan of this.

On the plus side I got 2x 250rd boxes of Remington UMC 9mm for $69 a piece before tax. That is almost 30% less than the best deal on bulk 9mm FMJ I've seen lately. Range fodder has been in thin supply for so long I buy it whenever I find relatively good prices; though the situation finally seems to be improving.

Defensive 9mm ammo has been available for awhile but stuff for training, practice and just plain fun has been hard to come by for almost a year. This purchase sets me up 2/3rds of the way for an upcoming class at a good price without needing to dip into the stash. That makes me happy.

Other than that it's been a long day and I am pretty tired. Going to try to hit the sack early.

Sunday, October 27, 2013

Ammo Is Back; Stock Up If You Need It!!!



It seems ammo (except .22lr) is back to a pretty good level of availability. Certainly well stocked stores and online dealers have plenty of the stuff. I am seeing .223 in the .42 to .44 cent range for cases. 9mm ball seems to be in the .37 ish range though is case of reloads for $300/1k is a great deal. 7.62x39 is under a quarter a round in any quantity which is nice.

I hope everyone remembers the dark days of firearmagedon and what we wanted to buy when things got back to normal.  I sort of reconsidered priorities then added some more 7.62x39 and small game type shotgun loads to the list. Also I'm still waiting for .223 and 9mm to drop a little bit more in price. Personally I think .223 will settle back around 40 cents with a spread between .38 and .42 or so depending on specifics. Nine Mil might drop to the .30 cent range. Beyond that who knows. Hunting rifle and shotgun ammo wasn't affected so it's largely stayed the same anyway. As to the lowly .22lr who knows when it will be back at any sane prices.

However the prices now, if you shop intelligently, are good enough that if I wasn't already sitting in an OK place I would be buying. If we only had a few hundred rounds per caliber/ gun the difference of 10% that ammo may drop would pale in comparison to the slim-moderate chance something will happen that hurts availability again. Getting caught short because you wanted to save $20 would be foolish.

The point I am working towards is that ammo is back at decent, if not great, prices. Now is the time to stock up on what you need.

I disagree with the video that you should get a box of this or that every payday. That was my technique for a few years when I was a young gun owner. Every payday I would get a box per gun/ caliber (at that time the same thing). That meant a trip to the local sporting goods store for a box of 12 gauge buckshot, a box of .38 special, .40 S&W, some .22lr, a box of .223 and another of 30'06.

The issue is that I was an uninformed consumer. Small boxes of ammunition are often marked up quite steeply at brick and mortar stores. Paying 20-30+% more than you would purchasing a case of ammo is quite common. What this translates into is 20-30% less ammo for your dollar. So instead of buying a box here and another there save for 3 paydays then get 250 rounds of Federal LE Buckshot, in a few more months a case of ammo for your pistola, you get the idea. The only exception in my mind to this is oddballs like Grandpa's .32S&W revolver that you only want a couple boxes for anyway.

Save money every payday/ week/ month/ whatever, buy ammo in bulk at good deals, repeat until you are happy. Of course you do need some balance, so do not spend all of your money on ammo. Some needs to go to food, some to saving, etc all.

Sunday, October 20, 2013

What Did You Do To Prepare This Week?

I ordered a case of Tula 122gr HP ammo from Lucky Gunner.

Ordered 250 rounds of 12 gauge #6 shot from Lucky Gunner.

Put together my HSGI War Belt.

Edited to include: Added dog food to the family movers vehicle kit. Also purchased a new flashlight (Streamlight Microstream) to try for EDC. So far I like it a lot. 

This coming week I need to order a holster, put a few finishing touches on the ALICE pack and maybe order some food.

What did you do to prepare this week?

Thursday, September 5, 2013

Louisiana Tax Free 2nd Ammendment Weekend 6-8 SEP 2013

It seems once a year Louisiana does a tax free weekend for guns, ammo, hunting stuff, etc once a year. This is pretty cool. Don't think I'll be buying much. Most of my significant needs are in the bulk ammo spectrum; I've been eying a case of 7.62x39 and some 9mm ball but will probably pick up a couple boxes this weekend just because. Anyway for folks who can use a gun or pick up their ammo a few boxes at a time locally this is a cool deal.

Speaking of cool deals remember the huge Mountain House sale at Camping Survival.

Thursday, August 15, 2013

Reader Question: JHP Ammo For The Emergency Stash

Ryan,
Just had a random question. As you build up ammo supplies, I was just curious as to whether you suggest trying to have your emergency (non-range) ammo be good quality HP's. I've got carry ammo of HP's but have been having my emergency ammo be regular FMJ's of good quality. What are your thoughts? No biggie if your busy with your move! Just was curious of your thoughts! Thanks!

JackintheBox
 
Ryan here,  Happen to have some time while the kids are taking an afternoon nap so here we go. I think it is worth seperating the answer between handguns and rifles. Handguns that are practical for defensive use are universally mediocre stoppers with anything but perfect shot placement. The saying that people shot with handguns run away while those shot with long guns die right there (DRT) has some truth to it. For rifles I am apathetic about HP ammo towards the goal of increased 'stopping power' but do like them for managing penetration. I buy them if the price difference is negligible but am just fine with FMJ. Case in point this Wolf 7.62x39 HP ammo is $285 a case which is basically the same price as ball. For rifle ammo we probably half 2/3rds FMJ and 1/3rd ball in the stash. The rest of the answer will be directed towards handgun ammunition.

Generally speaking I like hollow point type ammunition for defensive use. They stop people more effectively and have more controlled penetration which means lower chances of unintentionally hurting the wrong person. Obviously that is what I carry on a regular basis.
 
As to ammo stashed away just in case. Yes I think a person would be well advised to have some hollow points stashed away. If you can afford a case of Corbon DPX at a dollar a shot then good for you. Personally I cannot afford that but see the wisdom of keeping some HP ammo stashed, especially since my chosen handgun is a 9mm. For this task I opted for Federal Classic Personal Defense 115gr 9mm. Got a case of the stuff awhile back on sale for $375 if I recall correctly. Affordable and considerably superior to ball ammo. I would like to switch to CorBon or Speer Gold Dot's for my carry ammo but haven't gotten around to it yet. When times were good and ammo was readily available I would snag the Winchester white boxes of HP ammo in 9mm and .38 special so we have a few of those lying around.

As to putting my money where my mouth is I would guess a bit over half our operational stash of 9mm ammo is some sort of JHP. Probably 1/3rd of our .38 special is HP. The rest is ball ammo. Well anyway those are my thoughts on that. Hope it helps

Saturday, August 3, 2013

Firearmagedon Sliding Into History?

Going from shop to shop this week things are slowly getting better. Guns are back to normal availability. Mags are getting better, a local store had Glock 19 and Glock 17 mags for the first time in forever. Ammo is slowly getting better except .22lr which is just getting worse. The latest deals from Lucky Gunner reflect this.
My hope is that we all remember what we worried so much about being short on in the darkest days of this whole mess and over time as prices come continue to down work to fill those gaps. Personally I'm going to stash some training ammo and a bit more for a rainy day. Also I can use a few more magazines n such

 Hopefully ammo prices continue to slip back to pre firearmagedon levels in the next 2-3 months. I'd love to be able to shoot more without breaking the bank and put some back.

Does this match what the situation is in your area? What do you think?

Sunday, July 28, 2013

Gun Show Report 7/28/13

This morning we went out for family breakfast, really brunch based on time. After that we checked out the local gun show.

Generally gun prices were decent. Most were at market value though other parties seem to go for the 'mark everything up 30% and hope for well healed fools' business model. Since those same dealers had the same stuff as last time I question the effectiveness of that business model.

Mag prices dropped significantly since the last show. PMAG's in the 15-20+ range (buy 6 PMGs for 17.99 a piece here), Glock mags for $28-32 (Buy 10 G19 mags for $250 here), used USGI AR Mags for $18 (buy 5 Bushmaster AR mags for $17 each). Also that single AK mag @$45 was still there.

However as with the rest of firearmagedon ammo is a bit problematic still. I think dealers are just hoping to sell a little bit at silly prices. Saw a guy trying to sell Wolf 7.62x39 for 50 cents a round. (Get Wolf 7.62x39 @$295/1k). Didn't see any 9mm FMJ. 00 Buck was 75 cents to a dollar a round depending on the make.

.22lr prices are down from the last show's utter insanity but still totally out of control. Didn't see it under $70/500 and that looked like something 10 years old that had bounced around in a trunk for a bit then in some boxes while moving 3x. Of all the calibers it is probably the one people actually (used to anyway) shoot the most and it just isn't getting better. In fact I suspect the folks who started with a couple of bricks and kept plinking figuring things would get better are running low now. For trade stock right now .22lr is gold. A person who bought even 2 years ago could sell now for double, maybe even triple your cost and folks would be very happy to get it. Personally I am not selling though I might be convinced to toss a brick into a trade to throw it over the top.

As to what seemed to be selling. Saw a few hunting rifles and shotguns moving. The occasional person looking for a grip for this gun or a spare magazine for a newly inherited .380 made forever ago. The biggest seller seemed to be burgers and fries but that could have been since it was lunch time. Also that it was mid day Sunday could explain why traffic was a bit light.

I went to look around and ended up with a couple ammo can's.

Sunday, July 21, 2013

Getting Serious

Until I lose 10 pounds.....no more booze for this guy. I am eating well during the week and blowing it on the weekends cough and an occasional Wednesday cough.

Until I purchase a quality kydex holster for the G19/TLR1 combo with a good mag pouch, 250 rounds of #4 shot, 250 rounds of buckshot, 500 rounds of 9mm, 500 rounds of 5.56, 1k in 7.62x39 and finish Project 870 I will not purchase or start saving for another firearm. (The exception to this would be if I find a good deal on a single shot 12 gauge. They don't cost much and I have been looking for one for awhile.)

Time to get serious.

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